JUST SOME RANDOM STUFF!
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30th October 2024 at 11:13 am #97982ByteInBitsParticipant
IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO IS LIKE ME?
I love messing about randomly to see what comes about, maybe at sometime I will
discover some amazing thing! I do things like the following:I took the 1st 400 decimal digits of Pi and paired them like so. . .
14,15,92,65,35,89,79,32,38,46,26,43,38,32,79,50,28,84,19,71,69,39,93,75,10,58,20,97,49,44,59,23,07,81,64,06,28,29,25,40,91,71,53,64,36,78,92,59,03,01,13,30,53,05,48,82,04,66,52,13,84,14,69,51,94,15,11,60,94
then I took each (pair mod 26)+1 and took the alphabet position A=1 .. Z=26 and
that produced (my 200 Pi letters)
OPONJLBGMUARMGBYCGTTRNPXKGUTXSHXHDMGCKIVICDWZIVRGBEOCIZGEEOVJMSIRYGWFUBHODCWLRTCGKBBPHVKDHMUWQLCPDDSSCDJXOHHSJCVEWXLIAFNBMBMNTMHOOIIIIKTRAMENNKHACXOMVUTJAOGFDKRWDAJUSCDZONTBMKAOHDIBNEBFWEEOANGORZQPLIQ
then I used a Vigenere Solver to Decrypt it with the long 100 key of:
kpxjglonfqjnmpxyptfcnuitgpmfkoqpuvytytiifuddsprvyiqxjignxpxrjaovdfckrbuhxzkpdzlpncbomorxkaicwylzldqpand that gave:
EAREDANTHEREAREANNORETHEERIONERINIONERANDIATHTEWITORTATTHPREAMENOTEMOTHARESHISINTIANDTENTHESASADEANDINGARDTUNTTISHANTHALOSTTHEACEASTONMATHEWITHEINGTONEWASITIONANDMORNATINTMENALLISTOLDNTINHEAFESTOREISB
ran this through the wordninja in python which gave:
EARED AN THERE ARE AN NORE THE ERI ONE RINI ONE RAN DIA TH TE WI TORT AT TH PRE A ME NOTE MOTH ARE SHI SINTI AND TEN THE S AS A DE AND IN GARD TUN TT IS HAN TH A LOST THE ACE ASTON MA THE WITH EING TONE WAS IT ION AND MORNA TINT MEN ALL IS TOLD NT IN HE A FEST OR EISB
meaningless, but having many English words is a surprise.
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Again my 200 Pi letters
OPONJLBGMUARMGBYCGTTRNPXKGUTXSHXHDMGCKIVICDWZIVRGBEOCIZGEEOVJMSIRYGWFUBHODCWLRTCGKBBPHVKDHMUWQLCPDDSSCDJXOHHSJCVEWXLIAFNBMBMNTMHOOIIIIKTRAMENNKHACXOMVUTJAOGFDKRWDAJUSCDZONTBMKAOHDIBNEBFWEEOANGORZQPLIQNow Vigenere Solver solving as a running key with 100 letters:
Key:
drovqxjoicaaidirutrlyfbdxabmtldgddugpraiipkpvrcdnnsoabzndtgifjfcykmlcuihbljplycynkqixortzpmhodfunwzzgave following ‘plaintext’:
LYASTOSSESAREDTHINCITIOUNGTHEHEREASANTINANTHERTOTOMACHATBLINEDNGTOULDATANSTHATRETALTSTERESANINGICHETHEDREAPPORCEATEEANDFIENSANTAKHEREISTEHERNARAWLEATHITHTONESCESANDBEISWOUTOURTOOMEINTINDANKINTGETINEEXand wordnija gave
LY AS TOSSES A RED THIN CITI O UNG THE HERE AS ANTIN ANTHER TO TO MACH ATB LINED NG TOUL DATA NS THAT RET A LTS TERESA NING ICHE THE D REAP PORC EAT EE AND FI EN SANTA K HERE ISTE HE RNA RAW LEA THI TH TONES CES AND BE IS W OUT OUR TOOME IN TIN DANK IN T GET IN E EXWell SANTA got in there!
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Yet Again my 200 Pi letters
OPONJLBGMUARMGBYCGTTRNPXKGUTXSHXHDMGCKIVICDWZIVRGBEOCIZGEEOVJMSIRYGWFUBHODCWLRTCGKBBPHVKDHMUWQLCPDDSSCDJXOHHSJCVEWXLIAFNBMBMNTMHOOIIIIKTRAMENNKHACXOMVUTJAOGFDKRWDAJUSCDZONTBMKAOHDIBNEBFWEEOANGORZQPLIQvigenere
key length:200
and key is:
vikaqexpichkipxgjzpcnvwqgpqbeldgdltzytedpvzfvqckckawjbvpamvofvoqyrcfbciakmyeskplcsiulqrskaidsysvlmzazvzstwoaosydlptueimgxvxuumiqkwpbergbytinjvrawltwtoqcfivzbmgzdwwsqajwvxjbifgjkpkbxwajmpankiuzkegjlypjgave a repeating sequence !
THEN THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THERE S THEN THEN THMy own edits:
THEN THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THEN THEN TH
or the above as:
THEN THERE’S THE REST, HERE’S THE REST, HE REST HER EST. HERE’S THE REST. HERE ST. HERES, THERE ST. HERES. THERE’S THE RE’S, THE RE’S THERE. ST. HERES THERE’S THE REST HERE’S THE REST HERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THERE’S THE N THE N’TH——————————————–
Talk about Monkeys and Typewriters!!!2nd November 2024 at 12:36 pm #98145bridgesParticipantIf your keys are truly random then it’s impressive and totally unexpected.
I’m assuming you used a solver which chooses the most likely key. If the key is as long as the ciphertext, a key exists for every possible message of that length.
When the key is half the length, it’s no wonder that a key exists which produces many words even though the text didn’t come from a plaintext.7th November 2024 at 2:55 pm #98174Mattyrat2027Participant@bridges
Correct me if I’m wrong, but is a VigenĂ¨re cipher where key length=text length just a OneTime Pad? I remember we had some fun a few years back with the concept of TwoTime Pads, since a OneTime Pad is mathematically proven to be uncrackable (for the very reason that you can decipher a ciphertext into any text you like given a specific key).7th November 2024 at 2:56 pm #98181AstralicaParticipantI agree with @bridges, it is possible to make the digits of pi say absolutely anything:
It’s just that Vigenere is truly unsolvable if the key is perfectly random and as long as the ciphertext. (Onetime pads)
The reason (I’m assuming) you’re seeing repeated “THERES” is that it scores the highest on whatever fitness function you’re using, so as the computer tries to optimise for English by hill climbing, it just outputs that a bunch of times.Here’s some examples for you.
Your original 200 digits of pi:
OPONJLBGMUARMGBYCGTTRNPXKGUTXSHXHDMGCKIVICDWZIVRGBEOCIZGEEOVJMSIRYGWFUBHODCWLRTCGKBBPHVKDHMUWQLCPDDSSCDJXOHHSJCVEWXLIAFNBMBMNTMHOOIIIIKTRAMENNKHACXOMVUTJAOGFDKRWDAJUSCDZONTBMKAOHDIBNEBFWEEOANGORZQPLIQHere’s the key to make it the first 200 characters of the Bee Movie script:
ONMZSITTGBMRBVRLOKGIRRXJFGZLXZZJUKFCLGADVOHWBIUNCJXAIXWFAENKFTEDGAYDNYTUILCFHYFOOYBQEOHEZOEBELLJEVKZHYCVUQTCNQVRYFJRVXMGXLXIZOKTUXQEDXCPZAZGRNMGWAXUURTPFILSSKIRFZECUZVJNOABIFCNEZLAPYQJNODTKCJVDDDPELGG…and here’s the key for the Fitness Gram Pacer test:
VIKIBSOCUCUAMUMYACCANVWPSGIZMZZFODGCCGRHHUBUZTVPYIGVYQGNXEVGSYMRNGOOKQQJIZJEZDCYDCWWHFBZKHUMDOXPWVQYOKKCTCDOOSNVCSGSEIMRTBQLJNEUGBQEGUXQZPERJTVHHJQKUCUCQHHCOJXEOQURFOYAHVNCIUSPALSKATLVBDMZOIUCXNZOIZAD7th November 2024 at 2:57 pm #98267_madness_ParticipantShould array indices start at 0 or 1? My suggested compromise of 0.5 was rejected without, I thought, proper consideration.
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