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The National Cipher Challenge

8B

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  • #114147
    F6EXB_the_frenchy
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    Regarding 8B, are the ‘spurious characters’ the added ‘X’s and/or the punctuation? When you say, ‘Decryption will also produce spurious characters, and YOU MUST NOT DELETE THEM!!!!’, does that mean not to remove them (“X” and/or punctuation) when submitting the answer?

    That is exactly what it means, thanks for asking. Punctuation is irrelevant but any alphabetic characters, including any padding, should be left in your answer. Harry

    #114167
    Mbellmo
    Participant

    What edition of X XXXXXXXXX XXXXX should we be analysing?

    The one we provided? Harry

    #114182
    Crackerjack_404
    Participant

    @Mbellmo

    Check case files for the latest update

    #114190
    F6EXB_the_frenchy
    Participant

    For those who cannot write a programme, this case file is a great help.
    The encrypted text provides some clues that allow you to find a few letter combinations to put in the grid. By comparing this embryonic grid with the case file, you can find the key and complete the grid.
    Then, with the help of a word processor, search and replace, and a few hours, you’re done.

    #114192
    decrypting_donkey
    Participant

    I have solved part B but I would like to point out I think there’s an error in the case files 8.3. It says the pair DG -> EG and pair LE -> DG, but in “DEASREST GRENVILLE” (which you guys suggest in the case files), the last pair to the first is LE -> DE, however you did LE -> DG. I don’t know if this is intentional, but if not, it can be a bit misleading.

    Good catch. I will ask Jodie to correct the file. Harry

    #114195
    Combination-Harvester
    Participant

    Just out of curiosity – which edition of ACC is it the ciphers are using? I’ve tried every edition (got the keyword from remembering the quote from GCSE!) but couldn’t see that particular passage on P21…

    #114194
    ByteInBits
    Participant

    What the Dickens is going on here?

    I have been sitting here with the plaintext for 3 days now
    trying to figure out just as to where I am suppposed to
    put in some stupid x’s to get a 100 score!

    How insulting to Dickens, the only one with a wooden head
    is the BOSS who planned the submit decrypt matching. Sorry.

    Just getting the clean unabigous plaintext is all that
    should be required of any agent.

    The highest I’ve scored with a clean PT is 75%

    I tried the PT with x’s put between all double letters
    just like you would when composing a playfair but submitting
    that gave a worse score.

    Unless there is a nudge of a clue as to what x’s are needed where
    I’m giving up on this one. 🙁

    I think Harry is right it will lower the count of correct submissions.

    If you just do a straight decrypt of the cipher text with the correct Playfair grid then all the padding will be included for you. Not sure why this is so hard? Harry

    #114202
    ByteInBits
    Participant

    OK I never gave up, I finally got it.
    Because I had coded my old app to remove all x’s from the
    decoded plaintext it was useless for this session!

    As I no longer have the dev package for that app I couldn’t alter it,
    so I had to write new code from scratch (using gp of course)
    to perform a playfair cipher that did not remove x’s, that got me the answer.

    If you want to check your answer before posting it then you
    can check for MD5 of 8B plaintext all uppercase no spaces
    it should be:

    At this point an unidentified figure in a pointy hat, with pointy ears and shoes, rushed in and stole the rest of the message away. They muttered something about not giving any clues during a live challenge. Hope that makes sense. The Announcer

    #114210
    ByteInBits
    Participant

    🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
    It’s the naughty one again isn’t it?
    As tis the season of good will I’ll not report him as a thief!
    😉 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉 ;;) 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉 😉 ) 😉 😉

    #114227
    hohohocch
    Participant

    Which edition have they provided? I haven’t seen them provide any edition outside of the case files.

    #114232
    BBM92
    Participant

    Am I missing something, or is the key for the Playfair Grid not on page 21?

    #114241
    F6EXB_the_frenchy
    Participant

    @BBM92
    #114232
    Look at the case files.

    #114220
    Crackerjack_404
    Participant

    @Combination-Harvester

    Looking at the case file image, it’s a pretty close match to the 1877 Boston Lee & Shepard edition. You can probably find it on Internet Archive, but I may easily be wrong. I also feel like the page numbers don’t quite match from what you’d expect having solved 8A, but I doubt that matters at this point anyway.

    On the other hand it might actually be useful to think of famous Dickens’ quotes from his other works in prep for hunting for keywords!

    #114257
    BBM92
    Participant

    Which edition of A Christmas Carol has been used? I can’t seem to find another edition with this on page 21 – it always seems to be later.

    #114258
    Crackerjack_404
    Participant

    @BBM92

    This is the closest edition I could find, the page 21 might be something for Harry to answer:

    https://archive.org/details/christmascarol00dickiala/page/24/mode/2up

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